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Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1126	Posted - 2013.11.21 01:26:00 - [1] - Quote Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1126	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:31:00 - [2] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does. Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content. No, actually it wouldn't. There is already a tag system in place denoting Heavy, Light and Sidearm weapons. Add a Logi tag and slip it between Light and Sidearm. After that, retag certain weapons as Logi weapons. Personally, I'd suggest the following: Laser Rifle, Mass Driver, Plasma Cannon, Shotgun, Sniper Rifle and Swarm Launcher. Voila, Logi weapons in maybe an hour or two of coding. It'd be just as easy to add Logi Weapon Damage Modifiers. This would take care of the AR Assport Logis without taking away support style Light Weapon Logis. Assport logis in large majority carry the bullethose known as an AR. If they couldn't carry it on a Logi, they'd either migrate back to Assault Dropsuits or ragequit altogether, either option is a "Mission Accomplished" in my eyes. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1126	Posted - 2013.11.21 02:59:00 - [3] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis You can easily make assaults better at offense without taking away light weapons from logis, just give assaults a general damage bonus, and give each race's assault bonuses to their race's weapons like the Amarr assault already does. Creating a set of "logi weapons" would take over 6 months given how long it takes to deliver new content. No, actually it wouldn't. Still have yet to provide reasoning why that would be preferable to just changing bonuses. Changing bonuses is still more sensible then creating a new weapon category and reclassifying a bunch of weapons. Even without balance issues, bonus changes would still be needed. Bonuses are a mess right now. Assault shield recharge bonus is useless for the armor-based Gallente assault Caldari assault gets a shield extender HP bonus, something like that makes more sense for a heavy. Minmatar scout melee+bonus is still weaker than a medium frame melee even when maxed out Sentinel bonus is useless for current heavy weapons without feedback damage & only useful if you're careless enough to overheat. Logi bonuses seem completely random and arbitrary, they should have bonuses to equipment fitting instead of repairs. I can go on, but basically balancing by changing the bonuses is more sensible since the bonuses are in need of change anyway. Yes, because a whole new set of bonuses for all suits (some of which we still don't have) would be quicker than adding a couple of tags as a temporary solution.... I agree that all bonuses need reworked, but that is far more long-term than my proposed solution. Which would work in the short-term to fix the problem of Assport AR Logis which correct me if I am wrong, is the problem that is being discussed here and in other threads with Sidearm-Only Logis being seen as an unwanted alternative. I am really starting to think that every logi against this (any tweak o logi weapon selection) only wants to keep their OP, overused bullethose.... Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1127	Posted - 2013.11.21 04:05:00 - [4] - Quote @Kagehoshi I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR. TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision). /rant Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1127	Posted - 2013.11.21 06:41:00 - [5] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: @Kagehoshi I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR. TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision). /rant How are they dragging you through the mud??? Because you have one idea of what a Logi should be , they have another, and you happen to NOT LIKE their version of it? I think that kind of request for change on a playerGÇÖs play style should come from their corporate management. NOT some that is the likes of you. Who are you??? Who are you calling a scrub?? You are crying about how some people , which in reality is the guy that just smoked your arse, donGÇÖt play the game the way you EXPECT the game to be played and you are bent out of shape because of it? Do you think I have this about right?? And you are ASSUMING that they guy that just smoked you must some how be an GÇ£assaultGÇ¥ player that is GÇ£posingGÇ¥ as a logi, and is thereby pejoratively (i.e., dispossessively, negatively, etc.) labeled and altercasted as a GÇ£scrub.GÇ¥ All of this because you got your arse WHOOPED!!! Get over yourself cause you are only one of many that person mores than likely did that too, and also they have probably has the same happen to them. And again, I canGÇÖt seem to repeat this statement enough this evening, but GÇ£who the hell are you to determine the definition of mine or another player of the logistics dropsuit?GÇ¥ I mean, IGÇÖm sorry. Did you hit your head last night and wake up today thinking that you were Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, or some other kind of religious icon??? Your play style of being passive aggressive is your choice. That also means it DOESNGÇÖT have to be anybody elseGÇÖs choice of action and performance in the battle field. That is the beauty of the GÇ£SANDBOXGÇ¥ style of gaming. ESPECIALLY IN NEW EDEN. IF you want to wait for people to come to you and basically play GÇ£gate KamperGÇ¥ of DUST, be my guest. I will be more that happy to glass your biomass and move on to the next target. GTFOI. If I want to be the wolf, WHICH MAKES SENSE given my corp runs in PACKS, then I will track down and KILL my query. You go ahead and play the gazelle. You canGÇÖt hide forever. Let the bidding begin on the price of this oneGÇÖs head. 100,000 ISK for the first taped and uploaded kill of this DB. LOL, I R ALPHA MALE WOLF beats chest I put silly bounty on you head because I big man shotcaller Is exactly how I read that, I'd organize my own bounty collection but you're offering so little it isn't even worth it. Also, get it right, I am not a gazelle, I'm a crow, an opportunistic predator known for scavenging. LOL, Ohnoes, I'm a douche bag because some kid on the interwebz called me one, oh what ever shall I do? I don't know if my fragile self-esteem can take this abuse, I might just go take a hot bath and open a vein or two. LOL Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1127	Posted - 2013.11.21 12:25:00 - [6] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: @Kagehoshi I am a logi, I don't have a problem with the logi. I have a problem with the assaults who run as a logi and drag my class through the mud cause they only really care for themselves and want to min/max so they can be better assaults. 99.9% of the time that I die to a logi, it is with an ADV+ tier AR, these guys are assault scrubs that should be running assault, but no, they run as self-serving murderlogi who perpetuate the trend when newbs see that they died by a logi with a proto AR. TBH, it has been this way for long enough that I've said **** it and started running as other dropsuits. I just want logis to be logis rather than an assault in logis clothing. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that logis need to always have a reps leash in hand, I am just saying that they should be paying more attention to shoring up their squad/teams ability to kill rather than running all over the map chasing after kills. Am I saying that I don't enjoy getting killing in an FPS? No, just that I let them come to me rather than hunting them down (except for snipers, I <3 punching snipers in the back of the head until they die, serves them right for the tunnelvision). /rant How are they dragging you through the mud??? Because you have one idea of what a Logi should be , they have another, and you happen to NOT LIKE their version of it? I think that kind of request for change on a playerGÇÖs play style should come from their corporate management. NOT some that is the likes of you. Who are you??? Who are you calling a scrub?? You are crying about how some people , which in reality is the guy that just smoked your arse, donGÇÖt play the game the way you EXPECT the game to be played and you are bent out of shape because of it? Do you think I have this about right?? And you are ASSUMING that they guy that just smoked you must some how be an GÇ£assaultGÇ¥ player that is GÇ£posingGÇ¥ as a logi, and is thereby pejoratively (i.e., dispossessively, negatively, etc.) labeled and altercasted as a GÇ£scrub.GÇ¥ All of this because you got your arse WHOOPED!!! Get over yourself cause you are only one of many that person mores than likely did that too, and also they have probably has the same happen to them. And again, I canGÇÖt seem to repeat this statement enough this evening, but GÇ£who the hell are you to determine the definition of mine or another player of the logistics dropsuit?GÇ¥ I mean, IGÇÖm sorry. Did you hit your head last night and wake up today thinking that you were Jesus Christ, Moses, the Buddha, or some other kind of religious icon??? Your play style of being passive aggressive is your choice. That also means it DOESNGÇÖT have to be anybody elseGÇÖs choice of action and performance in the battle field. That is the beauty of the GÇ£SANDBOXGÇ¥ style of gaming. ESPECIALLY IN NEW EDEN. IF you want to wait for people to come to you and basically play GÇ£gate KamperGÇ¥ of DUST, be my guest. I will be more that happy to glass your biomass and move on to the next target. GTFOI. If I want to be the wolf, WHICH MAKES SENSE given my corp runs in PACKS, then I will track down and KILL my query. You go ahead and play the gazelle. You canGÇÖt hide forever. Let the bidding begin on the price of this oneGÇÖs head. 100,000 ISK for the first taped and uploaded kill of this DB. LOL, I R ALPHA MALE WOLF beats chest I put silly bounty on you head because I big man shotcaller Is exactly how I read that, I'd organize my own bounty collection but you're offering so little it isn't even worth it. Also, get it right, I am not a gazelle, I'm a crow, an opportunistic predator known for scavenging. LOL, Ohnoes, I'm a douche bag because some kid on the interwebz called me one, oh what ever shall I do? I don't know if my fragile self-esteem can take this abuse, I might just go take a hot bath and open a vein or two. LOL soooo. I run a Gallente Logistics with two damage mods on an Imperial ScR. Does that make me an AssaultLogi? (ps. I've been doing this since loooong before 1.6 - although I was using a Carthum before hit detection was good XD) Guess what my equipment slots are filled with? Wrong! It's not compact nanohives! I use quite a few different types of equipment, shockingly enough! I always have a scanner, of course, and some kind of hive that can rep, also of course, but my usual layout looks like this: ADV Quantum Scanner, Wiyrkomi Nanohive, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, R-9 Drop uplinks. Another layout is scanner + Alloteks + Wyka needle + Core Focused. Often I drop the scanner for a Core Focused on the first, or to allow me to fit dedicated nanohives on the second. I run a proper logistical setup (my hives are usually used for my squadmates - my own healing is incidental), and I'm running a prototype weapon. Is that really a problem for you? If so, why? Do you actually have a problem with me fitting my suit in such a way as to maximise both my equipment slots and my offensive capability? Why can't I do both? TBH, IDGAF anymore, I've started running in other suits, I'll be ready when all of the ubersuit assport logi get nerfed into obsolescence cause they wanted to do everything while screaming "ITS MY SUIT I'LL DO WHAT I WANT!!" in cartmans voice. I'll lend my silent support through likes to to those willing to fight the good fight as I've become exasperated yet again with this argument. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1127	Posted - 2013.11.21 21:54:00 - [7] - Quote @XxGhazbaranxX I hereby put forth that logis only be allowed to fit reps leashes and militia weapons with which to ***** on killmails. That'll show them what Eve logis are really like..... Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1173	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:00:00 - [8] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Down with light weapon logis Up with logi weapon logis Sweet, another brown shirt has arrived. Yep, with the expandable baton of justice in my hand to beat silence into the dissenter. I will take my torch of truth to burn their heretical texts so that their blasphemous lies will not poison the minds of our logi youth. Jackbooted, I will march off to war, sidearm on my hip and nanohive in my hand. Death to all slayerlogis!!! Long Live the Support Nation!! Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta

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